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关于“Refiance现自住房,,,,请问原自住房Refiance mortgage的利息,,,“, 找到一个link。请看下述案例:

来源:https://taxinterpretations.com/cra/severed-letters/2002-0142035
In Cascone v. The Queen, (2000 DTC 1621), a taxpayer and his spouse ("the taxpayers") acquired one property ("Property 1") in 1978, which was used as a principal residence. In January 1988, the taxpayers acquired a second property ("Property 2") and financed the acquisition with a $220,000 mortgage registered on Property 1. The taxpayers moved into Property 2 in February 1988 and commenced to rent out Property 1. Property 2 was eventually sold in October 1988, with the proceeds being used to acquire a third property ("Property 3"). The taxpayers' claimed an interest deduction against the rental income, which was denied. Their appeal to the Tax Court of Canada was dismissed with the Court ruling that the borrowed funds were never "used for the purpose of earning income". They were used to purchase a property (Property 2) that never earned income (as rent), but was only used as a principal residence, and was eventually sold.

In McLeod v. M.N.R. (64 DTC 218), the taxpayer decided to convert the mortgage-free house in which he and his family were residing into a duplex and to move to a new smaller home, his intention being to obtain investment income and build up an estate. To finance the purchase price of $18,000 for the new house, the taxpayer arranged for a $9,000 mortgage on the old house and a $7,000 mortgage on his new home, and used $2,000 of his own funds. Interest on the said mortgages was disallowed. The taxpayer appealed to the Tax Appeal Board, which dismissed the appeal on the basis that the borrowed money was not used for the purpose of earning income from a business or property.

In Hills v. M.N.R., (70 DTC 1429), the taxpayer and his wife were the joint owners of a home, 25% of which was used for the purpose of producing income through rentals. To purchase the home, the taxpayer obtained a bank loan on which interest was paid. The taxpayer deducted the full amount of interest on the borrowed money, 75% of which was disallowed. When the taxpayer appealed to the Tax Appeal Board, the Board ruled that since only 25% of the house was used for the production of income, only 25% of the interest on money borrowed to purchase the house could be allowed as a deduction. The remaining 75% of the bank interest was a non-deductible personal or living expense.

In Holmann v. M.N.R. (79 DTC 594), the taxpayer mortgaged a rental property which he owned in order to have sufficient funds to acquire a principal residence. He then claimed the interest expense as a deduction. When the interest expense was disallowed, he appealed to the Tax Review Board where he contended that the borrowed money allowed him to retain the rental property while acquiring a principal residence, rather than selling the rental property and using cash from the sale to finance the acquisition. The appeal was dismissed, where the Board concluded that the interest charges were personal or living expenses, were not incurred for the purpose of earning income from a business or property, and therefore were not deductible.

In The Queen v. Attaie, the taxpayer acquired a residence in Canada. The purchase was partially financed by a mortgage, the interest on which was deducted by the taxpayer from rental income received from January to May 1980. In June 1980, the taxpayer and his family began to occupy the residence as their principal residence. Instead of using a portion of a $200,000 amount that the family brought from Iran to repay the mortgage, the taxpayer invested the $200,000, producing interest income thereon. The taxpayer continued to deduct the mortgage interest paid after they occupied the residence, which was disallowed. Both the Tax Court of Canada (85 DTC 613) and the Federal Court - Trial Division (87 DTC 613) agreed with the taxpayer that the interest is deductible. However, the Federal Court of Appeal (90 DTC 6413) overturned these decisions on the basis that once the taxpayer had ceased using his house to generate rental income, interest paid on the mortgage thereon was no longer deductible, regardless of the fact that the taxpayer chose to invest the funds from Iran in order to generate income rather than using a portion thereof to pay off the mortgage.

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  • 枫下家园 / 枫下觅巢 / 关于“Refiance现自住房,,,,请问原自住房Refiance mortgage的利息,,,“, 找到一个link。请看下述案例:

    来源:https://taxinterpretations.com/cra/severed-letters/2002-0142035
    In Cascone v. The Queen, (2000 DTC 1621), a taxpayer and his spouse ("the taxpayers") acquired one property ("Property 1") in 1978, which was used as a principal residence. In January 1988, the taxpayers acquired a second property ("Property 2") and financed the acquisition with a $220,000 mortgage registered on Property 1. The taxpayers moved into Property 2 in February 1988 and commenced to rent out Property 1. Property 2 was eventually sold in October 1988, with the proceeds being used to acquire a third property ("Property 3"). The taxpayers' claimed an interest deduction against the rental income, which was denied. Their appeal to the Tax Court of Canada was dismissed with the Court ruling that the borrowed funds were never "used for the purpose of earning income". They were used to purchase a property (Property 2) that never earned income (as rent), but was only used as a principal residence, and was eventually sold.

    In McLeod v. M.N.R. (64 DTC 218), the taxpayer decided to convert the mortgage-free house in which he and his family were residing into a duplex and to move to a new smaller home, his intention being to obtain investment income and build up an estate. To finance the purchase price of $18,000 for the new house, the taxpayer arranged for a $9,000 mortgage on the old house and a $7,000 mortgage on his new home, and used $2,000 of his own funds. Interest on the said mortgages was disallowed. The taxpayer appealed to the Tax Appeal Board, which dismissed the appeal on the basis that the borrowed money was not used for the purpose of earning income from a business or property.

    In Hills v. M.N.R., (70 DTC 1429), the taxpayer and his wife were the joint owners of a home, 25% of which was used for the purpose of producing income through rentals. To purchase the home, the taxpayer obtained a bank loan on which interest was paid. The taxpayer deducted the full amount of interest on the borrowed money, 75% of which was disallowed. When the taxpayer appealed to the Tax Appeal Board, the Board ruled that since only 25% of the house was used for the production of income, only 25% of the interest on money borrowed to purchase the house could be allowed as a deduction. The remaining 75% of the bank interest was a non-deductible personal or living expense.

    In Holmann v. M.N.R. (79 DTC 594), the taxpayer mortgaged a rental property which he owned in order to have sufficient funds to acquire a principal residence. He then claimed the interest expense as a deduction. When the interest expense was disallowed, he appealed to the Tax Review Board where he contended that the borrowed money allowed him to retain the rental property while acquiring a principal residence, rather than selling the rental property and using cash from the sale to finance the acquisition. The appeal was dismissed, where the Board concluded that the interest charges were personal or living expenses, were not incurred for the purpose of earning income from a business or property, and therefore were not deductible.

    In The Queen v. Attaie, the taxpayer acquired a residence in Canada. The purchase was partially financed by a mortgage, the interest on which was deducted by the taxpayer from rental income received from January to May 1980. In June 1980, the taxpayer and his family began to occupy the residence as their principal residence. Instead of using a portion of a $200,000 amount that the family brought from Iran to repay the mortgage, the taxpayer invested the $200,000, producing interest income thereon. The taxpayer continued to deduct the mortgage interest paid after they occupied the residence, which was disallowed. Both the Tax Court of Canada (85 DTC 613) and the Federal Court - Trial Division (87 DTC 613) agreed with the taxpayer that the interest is deductible. However, the Federal Court of Appeal (90 DTC 6413) overturned these decisions on the basis that once the taxpayer had ceased using his house to generate rental income, interest paid on the mortgage thereon was no longer deductible, regardless of the fact that the taxpayer chose to invest the funds from Iran in order to generate income rather than using a portion thereof to pay off the mortgage.

    • 挺好的案例,就是最后一个没看太明白
      • 就是他们从伊朗带来的二十万存起来生利息去了,然后把二十万当房贷报税,抵贷款利息。但是他们的房子是自住房。 +1
        • 这20万如果不是房贷的用途,就不能报税。跟房子是不是自住没关系。但不明白之前的法院为什么准了
          • 这二十万是投资用途有收益为什么不能报税抵减利息?只是不能作为房贷的利息抵税。 +1
            • 因为这20万不是房贷,是他原有从伊朗带过来的资金。如果是房子的refinance当然可以。这也是糊涂的地方,讲的不清楚。
    • 虽然税法上讲可能是那么回事,但第三个案例的房主述求也是真实的。税法应该考虑实际情况。买投资房用于出租的目的,税务局就应该考虑首付也应该按贷款利息给予税务减免。这样才会让房主更愿意根据自己的财物状况选择多贷还是少贷。

      不然我一百万现款买个出租房结果没有任何税务抵免。为了那个抵免,我还得多贷款。这不是很矛盾吗。
      出租房的首付款和贷款都是为了出租盈利的目的。为什么只有贷款考虑税务减免?首付款就不考虑税务减免??
      • 你很荒谬。税法应该如何如何和税法应该怎样执行完全是两码事。税务局不是立法机构只是在执行法律。
        • 这有什么荒谬的。在论坛大家只是讨论话题。不要judge别人。
          • 不只是话题,谈的是事实上能不能报税。扯淡没有用,法律规定谁也改不了。看到有不少人大谈这不合理,,我就是这么报,,,应该没问题,,,blabla,,很可笑,不单是你。
            • 谢谢你的解释。大家也只是想省点税,讨论清楚了大家也就知道该怎么正确报税,或者愿意承担报税错误的风险。
              • 你说的很好。这也是我花时间找案例的初衷。多说一句,虽然GOOGLE很有用,我还是支持找专业人士,讨论税务问题。especially when 你不是拿T4的,---
      • 这里的关键不是DOWNPAMENT or not,从‘自住房’,refinancing,拿钱出来,作为 DOWNPAYMENT, 买投资房 (rental property),这个利息是可以报税的(DEDUCTABLE)。关键是资金的用途,如果是 自住房, 那就不行。
        • 谢谢你的解释,这个明白了。但是如果我用现金做downpayment,那我怎么用租金收益抵免这部分现金的“利息支出”?因为不是贷款,没有利息,但它确实是投资,税务局怎么不考虑现金首付部分的投资税务减免?或者说税法部分为什么不考虑现金投资的情况?
          • 你的总的租金收益只能减免这部分donwpayment现金撬动的银行贷款(mortgage) 的利息支出.也就是说,你的现金downpaymnet产生的收益(租金)部分是要交税的。这个好理解吧。如果你把downpayment的现金存到银行拿利息,不交税吗?
            • 谢谢,明白了。
    • 关于这个问题,有这么多案例,也说明税法的处理,不完全符合直觉,但是一个又一个判决,也说明了,1)的确有人被查了。2)如果被查到了,不要试图挑战。打官司的都输了。 +1
      • 没错 +1
      • appeal一定要有。 +1
        即使不通过,输了也没关系。我以前一件孩子学费的事情基于自己的理解认了没有走appeal的程序。后来实在觉得不合理,还是做了appeal,结果考虑了我的实际情况通过了省了好多学费。所以我建议有问题有疑问一定要appeal,通过不通过由处理appeal的部门决定,不要自己决定。
      • 又不花多少钱,为什么不去挑战,有偏颇的法律法规多了去了
        • 一切自己来? 佩服! 会计师,一般咨询200+/小时,APPEAL?不知道, 税务律师,从 500/600到 1000。
          • 这点事肯定自己来,让别人来给各方送钱还有什么意思
      • 其实这个贷款利息抵税的条款特别符合我的直觉,按用途来分,多清楚啊。还有再简单又合理的办法吗? 我也想把refinance房子买的车的利息和油费都抵税,最好买家具,买衣服也能抵了😂
    • 请教这个怎么理解,这些案例都是很多年前的,现在税法要求自住转出租的时候要报change of use, 而且视同市场价卖出。“自住房转投资房,税法上相当于先卖再买,所以可以抵税 -subdibjx(subdibjx); 10:05 reply ” +1
      • 讲了很多遍,不在於资金的"来出“,而在于资金的”去处/用途“。自住房也好,转成投资房也罢,这是资金的”来出“。It doesn't matter.
        • 那如果我把自住房refinance 出来买了投资房,然后把贷款放在了自住房上,投资房没贷款。是不是也可以抵利息? +1
          • 正确,在实际操作中,不要怕麻烦。一定确保FLOW是清楚的,比如设立一个专门的账户,refinance出来的资金先存入这个账户,买投资房的时候,再从这个专门的账户划钱。”不要偷懒“,it is said by a Tax Manager.

            供你参考,请咨询专业人士
            • 谢谢。
              • 不好意思,再重复一下,以上供你参考,具体,请和你的会计师讨论。
                • 这个操作相反了,有争议的是要买一间新的自住房,不是要买投资房。
                  • 新买的是自住房,原自住房转投资房。 这是关键,如果新买投资房,就一点问题没有。
    • 👍感谢楼主贡献精华
    • Mark一下,等会细看