About patriotism -mikesmith(老猫) @枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum

工作学习 / 外语学习 / About patriotism -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 {829} (#8862868@0)

interesting and somewhat reasonable -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-7 (#8862889@0)

在“爱国主义”的大旗下统治阶层可以干很多罪恶的勾当，而“爱国主义”大旗一般是百试百灵。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862893@0)

agreed to A extent -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-7 (#8862902@0)

那就讲讲哪部分不那么同意吧？ -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862916@0)

There are number of people challenging/questioning the government. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-7 (#8862931@0)

but their voices couldnt be heard...in congress, how many voted NO to the war? -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862939@0)

well, that's another story, all because America is a trigger happy nation, they can't help dumping bombs to their enemy's head -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-7 (#8862945@0)

Welcome to the choir! -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8862899@0)

文以载物。能把话说清楚，写明白，让对方了解自己的想法，目的也就达到了。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862901@0)

Exactly -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8862962@0)

Interesting topic, nicely put. -englearner(majia); 2014-7-7 {59} (#8862905@0)
What does it mean "Beat it"? Are you inviting a debate?

能有讨论那当然好。最好再结合当前国内国际陆地海洋的政治形势。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862909@0)

How about Israeli air strikes? -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8862924@0)

How about the killing of the three teens? -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862930@0)

Why not? -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8862942@0)

if this act was justified, so was the other..... -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8862944@0)

Israeli police say three people re-enact Mohammed Abu Khdeir's killing, seen as revenge attack for settlers' murder. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8862946@0)

see? creative learning started... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-7 (#8862949@0)

他那个”beat it"寓意深刻，you know what it means... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-7 (#8862940@0)

this is a difficult topic to discuss in english. nice work. -kafar(挨踢人士888); 2014-7-7 (#8862995@0)
Religion or patriotism, nobody likes a barking dog, only its master. -sonolingo(www.sonolingo.com); 2014-7-7 (#8863318@0)
真的是原创么？俺授予你外语坛语感金牌～～～ -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-7 (#8863322@0)

Here comes the judge, yet again. I am glad that I was a judge at one point. (#8161437@0) (#8238098@0) -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8863345@0)

刺哥火气还是这么大～～～你当年只是瞎猜而已，就跟你现在瞎猜某网友英语比俺好一样～～～ -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-7 (#8863428@0)

It's a proven fact that I am correct. You are just in denial. His is better than yours. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8863461@0)

猫的写作功底很强 (#8238027@0) 不一定。他贴的英文都是八股文，那种文章他写了十几年了，现在同样的东西他可能每天写好几篇。(#8238037@0) Now what? Did I not tell you? (#8238098@0) -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8863354@0)

Now I see the problem.. -englearner(majia); 2014-7-8 {86} (#8864253@0)
It is not so much of him being the judge, but more who is the better judge. hahaha...

Come on Sis. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 {132} (#8864269@0)
You make me feel so embarrassed. That's not my point though. I am just trying to say that BG's judgement is often out of the line.

oh, no! -englearner(majia); 2014-7-8 {106} (#8864368@0)
That was not my intention..

But I am very curious, was there a flush on your face?

Have fun, bud.

马甲姐一针见血啊～～～俺一直纳闷刺哥为什么一直追着俺叫骂，原来是嫉妒啊～～～要说做 judge，刺哥可能还真不够做俺的学生 -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-9 (#8865240@0)

Keep dreaming. It takes much longer than you think to become what you wanted to be. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 (#8865241@0)

绝对是我写的，但类似的idea从来就一直存在。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8863433@0)

Good writing, simple, concise, clear and easy to read. let alone English, actually it'll probably take me more than 5 minutes to write it in Chinese. no matter what language to use, it always takes time to organize words. -errands_boy(Errands Boy); 2014-7-7 {136} (#8863328@0)
I'm slow, sometimes I write a long post, but it gets out very short, I cut a better part of it at the last moment, and it happens often

我虽然开始没打算在这里发言，但最近也想这个问题。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 (#8863448@0)

From my perspective, it's not patriotism that America has been going downhill. it's Obama administration. 911 was a turning point, it triggered a reverage attack, Afghan war -errands_boy(Errands Boy); 2014-7-8 {341} (#8864287@0)
, which I don't think you would turn the other cheek when someone slaps you on one cheek in your backyard, there still have been opportunites to turn the country around since 911. but Obama administration is not capable of doing anything. look at the gridlock at Washington, government shutdown, rocky rollout of health law, Ukraine crisis.

I now declare you are the winner! No one can beat you as yet. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-7 (#8863388@0)

When a dog barks at the moon, then it is religion; but when he barks at strangers, it is patriotism! - David Starr Jordan -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-7 {907} (#8863458@0)

What is going on? Cream of the crop should be noticed. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 (#8863471@0)

好奇怪，我只看到 “-mikesmith(老猫); 7.7 14:59 (821 bytes. #8862868@0” 这些，不写内容都能发言了？ -haihai(享受阳光); 2014-7-8 (#8863720@0)

Not sure why it was deleted. Now you can not even open the hot topic. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 (#8863723@0)

Here you go. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-8 (#8863766@0)

Glad to see it's been restored. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 (#8863855@0)
I want to see comments from iamnotanangel(Wolf). -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-8 (#8864071@0)

why? -englearner(majia); 2014-7-8 {161} (#8864257@0)
Bro, are you having a problem with his comments on your piece? He was being rather reasonable with you in my opinion... If I were to give comments.... hehe....

I am fine with any comments. Why do you think I have problem with his, Sis? I just wanted to see some more... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-8 (#8864282@0)

Sure. Glad to know. -englearner(majia); 2014-7-8 (#8864376@0)

Some people are literally nice, but ... I doubt they are for real. I've never had any doubt on you my sis. You must be true :) -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-8 (#8864525@0)

Are you sure? -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 {13} (#8864614@0)
not truthful?

In this case they are same. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-8 (#8864630@0)

OK I hear you. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 (#8864636@0)

Somebody is literally bad, but ... I doubt he is for real. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-8 (#8864648@0)

OK I hear you, loud and clear. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-8 (#8864673@0)

you always do -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865389@0)

Thank you for your compliment. I shall try to do even better. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 (#8865433@0)

:) -englearner(majia); 2014-7-9 (#8865819@0)

OK -iamnotanangel(Wolf); 2014-7-9 {1627} (#8865203@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. On the content.

“Patriotism” is a motivator, not a reason to go to the war.

US is an open society, where free speech is worshipped near a fetish. People did not lose their capability of critical-thinking; on the contrary, there were countless people who did not agree with their president. People around the world made jokes on Bush. However, it was the wish of the majority of American people that has led US to the wars against phantom enemies. At 911, there was uproar for accountabilities of the tragedy and an immediate action was demanded, because for the first time, terrorists have brought fight onto the terrain of US.

Personally, I don’t agree with those wars, but I think there were greater benefits of wars than not going into them, for those decisions were not made by Bush, but by his administration -groups of well informed experts.

I don’t believe that China will take over US as the world leader any time soon. This is a laughable wishful thinking from Chinese version of “patriotism”. I believe it when I see it, when Chinese stop moving their assets and kids to US or other industrialized countries. What people fail to see are the vitality, the creativeness and the adaptability of America. China will soon lose her economic dynamics as she is moving toward an aging society, with her own social, economic, systemic and demographic problems unseen in other countries. Therefore, in a foreseeable future, US will continue to lead, inspire and motivate people around the world.

2. On the writing.
Choppy. Incoherent. Unconvincing. Grammatical error on the last sentence.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

OK I know it's real. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 {129} (#8865227@0)
Because I saw the muscle guy's photo. By the way how long did it take you to write the little piece? Stream of consciousness...

Would that make you feel better if I say I'd spent two days and edited 10 times? :) -iamnotanangel(Wolf); 2014-7-9 (#8865267@0)

Yeah, of course. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 {64} (#8865273@0)
I feel better if I see you here more than in the Garden of Eden.

I see. I am your bullet-proof jacket. Go to go. See you tomorrow. :) -iamnotanangel(Wolf); 2014-7-10 (#8867085@0)

in-depth thought and good writing, this is what I wanted to see... thank you. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865386@0)

Critical thinking -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 (#8865393@0)

as well, yes -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865395@0)

So far... 1.content, "...her own social, economic, systemic and demographic problems unseen in other countries" is not convincing since some others have same. 2.writing, "creativeness" to be replaced with creativity/ingenuity. More to come... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865423@0)

some others have THE same. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865610@0)

People did not lose their capability of critical-thinking; 【on the contrary】, there were countless people who did not agree with their president. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865475@0)

We use ON THE CONTRARY when we are disputing what has just been said and stating that the opposite is true. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865492@0)

So, better into one like this : Did people lose their capability of critical-thinking? On the contrary, there were countless people who did not... -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865500@0)

【At 911】, there was uproar for accountabilities of the tragedy -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865478@0)
Some words... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 {430} (#8865481@0)
"... majority of American people that has led US to the wars against phantom..."
to
... majority of American people that HAD led US to the wars against phantom...

"...tragedy and an immediate action was demanded, because for the first time, terrorists have brought fight onto the terrain..."
to
...tragedy and an immediate action was URGED, because for the first time, terrorists HAD brought fight onto the terrain...
Grammatical error 【on】 the last sentence. >>> in -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865484@0)
{US is an open society, ...}, since the focus is on US, it's better to write People in the States made jokes... instead of using "People around the world". -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865508@0)

or: People in the States (and other places in the world) made jokes... -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865512@0)

The content of Paragraph 2 is a little insubstantial. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865518@0)

It appears to me that the context is not coherent. I'm afraid that there is probably a big gap between "I don’t agree with those wars" and "but I think there were greater benefits of wars than not going into them". -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865532@0)

"when Chinese stop moving their assets and kids to US or other industrialized countries. " >>> "Chinese" here is not clear enough, better add an adj before it, like "when RICH Chinese stop...." -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865550@0)

"moving their assets and kids to US", >>> moving their assets and SENDING kids to US;;; >>> transferring their assets and kids to -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865561@0)

Yes. China is suffering from those so-called "social, economic, systemic and demographic problems" , but some other countries are suffering from their own "social, economic, systemic and demographic problems". From this point, countries are THE same. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865609@0)

你的原创(英文短篇)在哪里?挑毛病容易，原创难。期待您的大作...... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865748@0)

It is not always that easy to find errors and correct the mistakes. Have you ever changed your viewpoint? Don't you agree with Wincity about ...的帖都是瞎胡闹 and my English is too bad to be his... ? -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8865968@0)

I may change my view when I see your English essay. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865995@0)

It's not a proper place to post mine. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8866177@0)

写一段房评也好啊 -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-10 (#8867132@0)

A dream within a dream... Never stop fighting. Never stop dreaming... -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-10 (#8867142@0)

或者写一篇关于返佣的看法、某小区比如松秀舞姿的评价（英文版）都好啊。这些应该很拿手吧。写不出来，那人们只好保留看法啦...... -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-10 (#8867187@0)

Keep it！Up to you！ -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8867200@0)

What do you mean by that? -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-10 (#8867208@0)

这么简单的两句话，拢共才5个词。。。。。 -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8867946@0)

就不要逼人家了～～～肚子里没有奶，硬挤会惨不忍睹的 -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-10 (#8867204@0)

You can't even write a simple sentence in English, can you? -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-10 (#8867215@0)
看他评论起别人的东西洋洋洒洒，一贴追一贴，好像水平很高，可他自己又写不出啥来，看来我不得不同意你了兵哥。 -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-10 (#8867658@0)

Is it proven that his comments are mostly wrong thus far? I can't really see. On the contrary BG's are often misguided. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-10 (#8867734@0)

I think "misleading" is more fit here, but that doesn't mean I agree with ya. My view still remains. -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-10 (#8867775@0)

I hear you. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-10 {106} (#8867799@0)
Would it be better to say " is more appropriate", "my view remains unchanged"? BG, what do you think?

Go here and read my postings in a row. Bob is your uncle！ -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8868121@0)
他那些一贴追一贴大部分都是照抄字典的～～～ -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-10 (#8868185@0)

Show ! -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8868189@0)

Go here and read my postings in a row. Bob is your uncle！ Page Link -softface(探长); 17:20 (#8868121@0) -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8868126@0)

探长好像很受伤？俺说的可都是事实～～～ -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-9 (#8866433@0)

It's all just a pipe dream of yours! -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8866825@0)

探长啊，这个 pipe dream 又是查字典查出来的吧？又用错了，唉～～～ -wincity(红卫兵); 2014-7-9 (#8866850@0)

On the contrary, I use the very phrase to emphasize the fact that you are always day dreaming or making your wishful thinking in vain. -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8866901@0)

有一坛友不理解上句。解释：you are always day dreaming or making your wishful thinking in vain. = you are always day dreaming...in vain + you are always making your wishful thinking in vain. 这里 your wishful thinking是名词短语诶~！ -softface(探长); 2014-7-10 (#8867977@0)

俺授予你外语坛语感金牌～～～ -wincity(红卫兵); 7.7 20:56 (#8863322@0) If you don't know that's not a crime.. If you don't know but pretend you do then... -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-10 (#8866977@0)

多谢大家捧场，接着讨论... -mikesmith(老猫); 2014-7-9 (#8865690@0)

Thanks for bringing up a healthy discussion. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 (#8865736@0)

chip in your two cents. -englearner(majia); 2014-7-9 (#8865752@0)

Smart thinking, smooth and good flow of conversation, casual yet proper English writing with good command of the language. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 (#8865764@0)

Nice... but not sure which post(s) you were commenting on. -englearner(majia); 2014-7-9 {86} (#8865795@0)
And I was hoping to see you join the debate, in addition to commenting on the writing.

I am sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I was referring to Mike Smith's piece. In terms of joining in this particular debate I have my observations. Discussing hot political topics normally won't get you a happy ending. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 {45} (#8865855@0)
Therefore I opt myself out of the discussion.

Be honest, you've got no thoughts on this topic -dandelion1(蒲公英); 2014-7-9 (#8865867@0)

I hear you. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-9 (#8865870@0)

"....get you a happy ending." ---- R u sure it is a correct sentence? -wei96(wei); 2014-7-9 (#8866824@0)

If you find a sentence is incorrect, just submit your own.. -softface(探长); 2014-7-9 (#8866852@0)
Thank you wordpecker. Simply show your better one, or perhaps a correct one. -redneck(Cracker); 2014-7-10 (#8867009@0)

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